*bounce* Wendy Rule is in town in 4 weeks and two days! I must find out what I have on that weekend. Here is the relevant extract from the website (reformatted, and semi-un-typo'd):

November 12 McLaren Vale ( SA) Concert
Solo concert in the beautiful "Singing Gallery" in McLaren Vale, close to Adelaide
Address and other details avail. ASAP
Also performing is local singer songwriter Billy February

November 13 Adelaide Concert
The Grace Emily Hotel, Adelaide
Solo concert.
With special guest Billy February
More Details ASAP 

November 14 ADELAIDE WITCHCRAFT WORKSHOP
Monday November 14th
3 hour Workshop on Magic, Nature and Witchcraft.
Suitable for beginners or advanced -a fresh approach to an old tradition.
The Governor Hindmarsh Hotel, Thebarton
$15
7.30 -10.30 pm

Anyone else planning on going?
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From: [identity profile] reverancepavane.livejournal.com

yay! wendy's back


I've only ever missed one of Wendy's Adelaide gigs, and that was because the venue was wrongly publicised. Highly reccomended.

Now all I need to do is find someone going to McLaren vale that I can get a lift with (with appropriate contributions of chocolates and petrol money).

It doesn't sound like the Parallel Dream (ie Rachel and Craig) will be there though. <sigh>

Although I keep wondering why I never get any of her emails .... actually I have my suspicions why not...


From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Re: yay! wendy's back


With appropriate contributions of more petrol money and *thinks...* some kind of preserves (the mushrooms are really good, and the pickled oranges taste like marmalade, only sugar-free), would there be other persons of the lifting kind?

I didn't get to see Wendy Rule last time she was in the area. *bounce* *bounce*
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From: [personal profile] maelorin


never been too much on her commercial witchery.

paying for religion isn't right.

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com


I have more difficulties with paying for religion the more I pay and the less I get out of it. I get a lot out of music, and music-related activities, thus concerts. And a certain amount of "the labourer is worthy of their hire" creeps into my brain-space at prices lower than $20-30

The bits of Wendy Rule that make me twitch are all to do with her particular brand of paganism. Just incompatibility of outlook, the same way Christians can make me twitch, when they're talking about it. But the music gets me, which is why I have bits of 'Continental Isolation' running through my head, even though
"Whether it's winter or summer in June,
We all draw our power from the same moon."
just doesn't hold true.

Well, if I get something out of it, it's worth it to me. Even if the biggest thing is the networking, if I get contact(s) out of it, it's still well worth $5 an hour.

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Further thoughts


Profiting without giving value in return is kind of stealing. If I get value equivalent to the profit gained, then it is not.

Also, a lot of the wince-worthy paganism, for me, is measurable by the sheer amount of work it takes to keep up whatever it is the speaker is talking about. Thus, the fluffy-pagan daily ritual complete with robes, self-baked sacrificial cakes, and self-written poetry, causes me to wince. It's just too much like hard work. That much work should be reserved for special occasions.

From: [identity profile] penguin2.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


Good voice, good presence, pompous bitch. She has a lot of company in the entertainment world :P

I've only seen her once, and my general impression was, "Give the woman a deprogrammaing course to take away the pretentious Fluffy Mayonnaise Paganism(TM) and I'd be a lot more approving of her!"

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


Fluffy Paganism in all its forms drives me up the wall. It's just not practical. Who has the time to bake every day (which is involved in one of the exercises in a book I just happen to be re-reading...) unless they're home for more than an average of 14 hours per day including sleep time?

From: [identity profile] penguin2.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


Seeing as how I usually work at home, *I* have the time - but there are several kazillion things I'd sooner do than bake :P

I have a dear friend abroad who's a gently-dead-serious non-fluffy pagan (and teacher of Wicca). She manages to lead a very busy life without the least hint of pretentiousness or black eyeliner!

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


I should also assume that Fluffy Paganism tends to assume no allergies. Thus flavoured candles, incenses, smelly oils, and other Things That Make Me Go Sneeze. Things That Make Me Go Wheeze! It's those things that make you want breezes, yeah.

And now I have a different ear-worm. Thankyou brain.

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


Non-fluffy pagans are an absolute treasure (often). Then there's the ones who call me pretentious for having a goddess' name. It's on my birth certificate for feck's sake. *throws hands up in despair*
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From: [personal profile] maelorin


if the music works for you, tis all good there. [that si what art is about.]

i've had an ideological difference with many of the pay-a-pagans around town for many years now. one of the reasons i don't go to pagan alliance any more. they have no bullshit filters.

who are you hoping to connect with? (i be a curious type :)

From: [identity profile] reverancepavane.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


You are quite right. When she is just being herself, her thoughts on paganism are quite interesting (although very heavily Goth influenced). However she might just have a tendency to be more than slightly pretentious, although not as pretentious as some in the scene, since she became an Authority figure. And people say there is no such thing as Control Addiction.

But I like her for her music, especially the earlier pieces, which were far less bitter and much more fun. This is why I think it's a shame that Craig and Rachel aren't along as well. <sigh>

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From: [personal profile] maelorin

Re: Further thoughts


not to mention that belief is not a public spectacle in the same way that a britney spears concert is a public spectacle.

i like my rituals to have meaning. to me. audiences are not required. (often not desired, either :)

i wince not only at the over-the-top-pagans™, but also the we're-recreating-a-dead-religion-the-way-we-want-it-to-have-been™ types. [mutters something about 'meaning' ...]

oh, and then there's those ethics things ...

From: [identity profile] reverancepavane.livejournal.com


I'd have to say $15 isn't commercial witchery at all - it's more at the level of a hall hire charge for the venue than anything else. As opposed to, say, the recent $450 for a seminar by a "reely authentik vodoo praktishoner" [1], which is more typical of those that support themselves with commercial witchery. I suppose they do serve a purpose of seperating fools from their money. Either that all they could take part in alternate life-style Big Brother reality shows, like certain others...

[1] This is reflective of my opinion of the speaker as presented by her stalwart champions. The reality may have been different, but I really doubt it.

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From: [personal profile] maelorin

Re: Further thoughts


us non-fluffies ought to catch up more often.

it's the attitude that gets me as much as anything else. [i mean seriously, screwing some semi-random person doesn't make anyone 'lord' or 'lady' of anything - it might constitute prostitution however ...]

and the whole "we're against any form of heirarchy or organisation - except that imposed upon us by lady what's-her-face, or lord couldn't-get-laid-otherwise ... but you just know it must be the real thing if it's all secret-like ... aarrgghh!

our community was torn-apart for a while by this kind of pay-a-pagans who were more interested in power games than learning anything, playing at rituals than doing anything meaningful.
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From: [personal profile] maelorin

Re: Further thoughts


wendy does have a decent voice and can put together a decent tune.

the melbourne socialite scene is a real killer if you don't play at their game though.
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From: [personal profile] maelorin


tis true. tis true. she has a decent income from music and her other activities.

but her books portray a pretty commerical form of witchery.

re [1] ... i concur.

From: [identity profile] reverancepavane.livejournal.com


And her plays are ... awful.

And I don't mean that in the 16th century use of the term where St Georges' cathedral was described as "pompous, artifical, and awful" either. [full of pomp, a great artifact, and awe inspiring]

(She's very Inanna-centered without having studied any of it. Roughly equivalent to an enlightened 70's radical feminist in outlook.) Apologies to anyone I just tarred with the same brush.


From: [identity profile] reverancepavane.livejournal.com

Re: Further thoughts


Her voice isn't that great, but I'll agree she can put together a decent tune. Unfortuneately the stuff of hers that I really like (well, except for Prometheus which appeals to me on many layers) doesn't fit her pretend self-image of brooding darkness. Everyone knows darkness is happy and sprightly! Really. Would I lie to you?

Which is why I'm sad that Rachel and Craig won't be there as well. No cello or piano. <sigh>

The Melbourne Goth and Pagan scenes used to be closely entwined, which is half the problem. As well as being vindictive and downright snarky at times. Then again, that's probably true of the scenes in most major cities.

See. I can be snarky too!

<grin>


From: [identity profile] rowlirowl.livejournal.com

Odds


Odds are good that I can be plied with goods and/or services in lieu of lifting. But I have a small car and can only fit so many, (myself, front seat passenger, and three small or two large in the back, or for an unlucky small person, two small and one large, in the back).

I'd love to go. I hope she takes some of her CDs with her for us to purhase. My last purchase was WOrld Between Worlds.

The things I like most about non-fluffy pagans is that you can't pick them. If you can pick a pagan, then I feel they are in the fluffy basket :)


From: [identity profile] rowlirowl.livejournal.com

I rekn


I rekn I know you. I rekn I've met you. I rekn you live with someone who's name starts with M, in a house occasionally haunted by JW, due to living relatives of M.

Am I right?


From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com

Re: Odds


Like my stealth Ankh - the rabid Christians I know tell me it's a pretty cross, the atheists tell me it's a pretty pendant, the goths tell me it's a nice moonstone, and everyone else just says it's pretty ;)

From: [identity profile] freyaw.livejournal.com


(She's very Inanna-centered without having studied any of it.

I'm guessing this would annoy me the same way Christians who quote the bible without actually having read it annoy me. Do your research, people!

But, as with most people, as long as I don't get the speaker started on whatever it is that annoys me, it's all good.
For example, I never mention gayness around my Pentecostal mother. What I think of most politicians around my politically biased friends. Damn near anything around the King of Australia unless I'm in a poke-poke mood.
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